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The AK-47 vs. AR-15 debate often boils down to the 7.62×39 vs. 5.56\/223 debate. Yet while the AK-47 is limited to firing the only cartridge it was originally designed for, the AR-15 is a far more versatile rifle. A new upper receiver, barrel and bolt will let you fire all kinds of different cartridges \u2013 the 6.5 Grendel included. So, who wins in a 7.62×39 vs 6.5 Grendel debate?<\/p>\n

The 6.5 Grendel was designed in 2003 to surpass the performance of the 5.56×45. Interestingly enough its parent case is the 220 Russian, which itself was derived from a necked down 7.62×39. But we\u2019re not interested in cartridge histories. We want to compare these two rounds\u2019 ballistic performance, stopping power and recoil to see if the 6.5 Grendel is indeed significantly better than the 7.62×39. And what does \u201cbetter\u201d mean in this context?<\/p>\n

Cartridge Dimensions<\/em><\/h3>\n

\"6.5<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\t\n\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t
<\/td>7.62x39<\/th>6.5 Grendel<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n
Case type<\/td>Rimless, bottleneck<\/td>Rimless, bottleneck<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bullet diameter<\/td>0.309-0.311 in<\/td>0.264 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Neck diameter<\/td>0.339 in<\/td>0.293 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Shoulder diameter<\/td>0.396 in<\/td>0.428 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Base diameter<\/td>0.447 in<\/td>0.439 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Rim diameter<\/td>0.447 in<\/td>0.44 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Rim thickness<\/td>0.059 in<\/td>0.059 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Case length<\/td>1.524 in<\/td>1.52 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Overall length<\/td>2.205 in<\/td>2.26 in<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Case capacity<\/td>35.6 gr H2O<\/td>35 gr H2O<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Maximum pressure<\/td>45,010 psi<\/td>52,000 psi<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n\n

The 7.62×39 and 6.5 Grendel share remarkably similar dimensions. The 7.62×39 is less than 1\/5\u201d shorter in overall length, has nearly the same capacity for propellant, and has virtually the same case length as the 6.5 Grendel.<\/p>\n

But these rounds are far from carbon copies of one another. 7.62×39 ammo<\/a> has a .30 caliber bullet, whereas the 6.5 Grendel\u2019s 6.5mm bullet is a good deal narrower. Either rounds\u2019 bullets are commonly the same weight at around 123 grains, however, making the 6.5 Grendel\u2019s bullet necessarily longer. (The 6.5 Grendel offers bullet weights ranging from 90 to 129 grains, but for the sake of comparison we\u2019re focusing on rounds with similar bullet weights to what the 7.62×39 can offer.) Manufacturers load the 6.5 Grendel to a higher pressure. So, we can reasonably expect it to deliver a greater muzzle velocity than its Russian competitor.<\/p>\n

6.5 Grendel vs. 7.62×39: Ballistic Comparison<\/h2>\n

Velocity<\/h3>\n

\"Firing<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\t\n\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t
<\/td>7.62x39 Federal Fusion 123gr SP<\/th>6.5 Grendel Federal Fusion 120gr SP<\/th>7.62x39 Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/th>6.5 Grendel Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/th>7.62x39 Hornady BLACK 123gr SST<\/th>6.5 Grendel Hornady Custom 123gr SST<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n
Muzzle velocity (fps)<\/td>2350<\/td>2600<\/td>2461<\/td>2657<\/td>2350<\/td>2580<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 50 yds<\/td>2213<\/td>2473<\/td>2254<\/td>2531<\/td>2194<\/td>2495<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 100 yds<\/td>2080<\/td>2350<\/td>2057<\/td>2409<\/td>2044<\/td>2413<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 150 yds<\/td>1952<\/td>2230<\/td>1871<\/td>2290<\/td>1900<\/td>2331<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 200 yds<\/td>1829<\/td>2113<\/td>1697<\/td>2175<\/td>1763<\/td>2251<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 250 yds<\/td>1712<\/td>2000<\/td>1536<\/td>2062<\/td>1634<\/td>2173<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 300 yds<\/td>1601<\/td>1891<\/td>1390<\/td>1954<\/td>1513<\/td>2096<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 350 yds<\/td>1496<\/td>1786<\/td>1263<\/td>1849<\/td>1401<\/td>2021<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 400 yds<\/td>1399<\/td>1685<\/td>1158<\/td>1747<\/td>1300<\/td>1948<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 450 yds<\/td>1310<\/td>1589<\/td>1077<\/td>1651<\/td>1212<\/td>1876<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 500 yds<\/td>1231<\/td>1498<\/td>1016<\/td>1558<\/td>1138<\/td>1806<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 550 yds<\/td>1162<\/td>1413<\/td>967<\/td>1471<\/td>1078<\/td>1738<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 600 yds<\/td>1104<\/td>1333<\/td>926<\/td>1389<\/td>1029<\/td>1672<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 650 yds<\/td>1057<\/td>1261<\/td>890<\/td>1313<\/td>988<\/td>1608<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 700 yds<\/td>1017<\/td>1197<\/td>858<\/td>1245<\/td>953<\/td>1546<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 750 yds<\/td>982<\/td>1141<\/td>828<\/td>1184<\/td>923<\/td>1486<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Velocity @ 800 yds<\/td>952<\/td>1093<\/td>801<\/td>1131<\/td>895<\/td>1429<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n\n

Shooters love the 6.5mm bullet for its relatively high ballistic coefficient. The 6.5 Grendel certainly offers superior long-distance accuracy over the 7.62×39. Its maximum range is generally considered to be 800 yards; the 7.62×39, on the other hand, is about half that.<\/p>\n

A cursory glance at our ballistic data reveals why that is. The 6.5 Grendel\u2019s faster muzzle velocity gives gravity far less time to pull its bullet down. This conveys a flatter trajectory, which doesn\u2019t necessarily impart better accuracy \u2013 but it sure does help a lot. The 6.5 Grendel also doesn\u2019t transition to subsonic<\/a> (1,125 fps) until much farther in its trajectory.<\/p>\n

7.62×39 vs 6.5 Grendel Trajectory<\/h3>\n\n\n\n\n\t\n\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t
<\/td>7.62x39 Federal Fusion 123gr SP<\/th>6.5 Grendel Federal Fusion 120gr SP<\/th>7.62x39 Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/th>6.5 Grendel Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/th>7.62x39 Hornady BLACK 123gr SST<\/th>6.5 Grendel Hornady Custom 123gr SST<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n
Elevation @ 50 yds<\/td>4.05<\/td>3.43<\/td>4.08<\/td>3.31<\/td>4.14<\/td>3.33<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 100 yds<\/td>4.8<\/td>3.92<\/td>4.93<\/td>3.76<\/td>4.96<\/td>3.75<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 150 yds<\/td>3.54<\/td>2.84<\/td>3.71<\/td>2.71<\/td>3.7<\/td>2.68<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 200 yds<\/td>0<\/td>0.01<\/td>0.01<\/td>0<\/td>0.02<\/td>0.01<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 250 yds<\/td>-6.14<\/td>-4.77<\/td>-6.72<\/td>-4.55<\/td>-6.46<\/td>-4.37<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 300 yds<\/td>-15.25<\/td>-11.73<\/td>-17.15<\/td>-11.15<\/td>-16.2<\/td>-10.6<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 350 yds<\/td>-27.76<\/td>-21.12<\/td>-32.09<\/td>-20.02<\/td>-29.75<\/td>-18.8<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 400 yds<\/td>-44.15<\/td>-33.23<\/td>-52.49<\/td>-31.44<\/td>-47.73<\/td>-29.14<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 450 yds<\/td>-64.99<\/td>-48.41<\/td>-79.37<\/td>-45.72<\/td>-70.85<\/td>-41.76<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 500 yds<\/td>-90.9<\/td>-67.03<\/td>-113.72<\/td>-63.18<\/td>-99.9<\/td>-56.86<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 550 yds<\/td>-122.55<\/td>-89.54<\/td>-156.49<\/td>-84.23<\/td>-135.66<\/td>-74.62<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 600 yds<\/td>-160.63<\/td>-116.39<\/td>-208.56<\/td>-109.3<\/td>-178.9<\/td>-95.27<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 650 yds<\/td>-205.83<\/td>-148.14<\/td>-270.99<\/td>-138.88<\/td>-230.33<\/td>-119.02<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 700 yds<\/td>-258.82<\/td>-185.36<\/td>-344.19<\/td>-173.49<\/td>-290.66<\/td>-146.14<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 750 yds<\/td>-320.42<\/td>-228.64<\/td>-429.2<\/td>-213.72<\/td>-360.79<\/td>-176.89<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Elevation @ 800 yds<\/td>-390.82<\/td>-278.6<\/td>-527.19<\/td>-260.14<\/td>-440.89<\/td>-211.58<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n\n

Despite having essentially the same weight as the 7.62×39, the 6.5 Grendel\u2019s narrower bullet encounters significantly less air resistance in flight. Its higher ballistic coefficient reflects this. Its higher ballistic coefficient also grants the 6.5 Grendel greater resistance to the straying effects of cross and vertical winds, which comes heavily into play in long-distance shooting.<\/p>\n

So the 6.5 Grendel, which has a greater muzzle velocity and higher ballistic coefficient, is more accurate over longer distances. However, the 7.62×39 can not be described as inaccurate. It is perfectly capable of hitting its target, albeit over the shorter ranges it was designed to cover. Within 200 yards the 7.62×39 is great!<\/p>\n

Stopping Power<\/em><\/h3>\n

The 6.5 Grendel has greater stopping power than the 7.62×39. This is due to a couple key factors: sectional density and energy.<\/p>\n

\u201cSectional density\u201d is a technical term that describes how efficiently a bullet penetrates soft tissue. Two variables determine sectional density: bullet weight and diameter. Obviously when both bullets weigh 123 grains, their diameters become the only factor that determines which has the superior sectional density. Simply put, the narrower 6.5 Grendel bullet encounters less resistance from soft tissue than the wider 7.62×39. Its sectional density is 0.252 as opposed to the 7.62×39\u2019s 0.184, so it is equipped to penetrate its target deeper.<\/p>\n

The amount of energy a bullet can transfer to its target depends on its weight and velocity. Once again, only the bullets\u2019 velocities come into play when their weights are the same. The 6.5 Grendel\u2019s greater muzzle velocity quite naturally means its bullet is moving faster than the 7.62×39\u2019s at all points downrange. Furthermore, its higher ballistic coefficient also means it retains relatively more of its velocity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\t\n\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t
<\/td>7.62x39 Federal Fusion 123gr SP<\/th>6.5 Grendel Federal Fusion 120gr SP<\/th>7.62x39 Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/th>6.5 Grendel Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/th>7.62x39 Hornady BLACK 123gr SST<\/th>6.5 Grendel Hornady Custom 123gr SST<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n
Muzzle energy (ft lbs)<\/td>1509<\/td>1802<\/td>1654<\/td>1928<\/td>1509<\/td>1818<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 50 yds<\/td>1337<\/td>1630<\/td>1654<\/td>1750<\/td>1314<\/td>1701<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 100 yds<\/td>1182<\/td>1471<\/td>1156<\/td>1585<\/td>1141<\/td>1590<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 150 yds<\/td>1041<\/td>1325<\/td>956<\/td>1433<\/td>986<\/td>1485<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 200 yds<\/td>914<\/td>1190<\/td>786<\/td>1292<\/td>849<\/td>1385<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 250 yds<\/td>801<\/td>1066<\/td>644<\/td>1162<\/td>729<\/td>1290<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 300 yds<\/td>700<\/td>953<\/td>528<\/td>1043<\/td>625<\/td>1201<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 350 yds<\/td>612<\/td>850<\/td>436<\/td>933<\/td>536<\/td>1116<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 400 yds<\/td>535<\/td>757<\/td>366<\/td>834<\/td>462<\/td>1036<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 450 yds<\/td>469<\/td>673<\/td>317<\/td>744<\/td>401<\/td>961<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 500 yds<\/td>414<\/td>598<\/td>282<\/td>663<\/td>354<\/td>891<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 550 yds<\/td>369<\/td>532<\/td>255<\/td>591<\/td>317<\/td>825<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 600 yds<\/td>333<\/td>474<\/td>234<\/td>527<\/td>289<\/td>763<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 650 yds<\/td>305<\/td>424<\/td>216<\/td>471<\/td>267<\/td>706<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 700 yds<\/td>282<\/td>382<\/td>201<\/td>423<\/td>248<\/td>653<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 750 yds<\/td>264<\/td>347<\/td>187<\/td>383<\/td>233<\/td>604<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Energy @ 800 yds<\/td>248<\/td>319<\/td>175<\/td>349<\/td>219<\/td>558<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n\n

For self-defense the difference in these two rounds\u2019 stopping power isn\u2019t all that crucial. We highly doubt you would engage a threat at distances beyond 100 yards, and the stopping power of either round is beyond adequate to neutralize a human-sized threat at close range.<\/p>\n

For hunting the disparity in stopping power becomes more important. To make matters extremely simple, a bullet would ideally deliver at least 1,000 ft lbs of energy to humanely kill a whitetail. The 7.62×39 often fails to deal that much damage at 150 yards, yet the 6.5 Grendel consistently exceeds 1,000 ft lbs at 300 yards. Deer hunters unquestionably prefer the 6.5 Grendel.<\/p>\n

Recoil<\/em><\/h3>\n

We\u2019re sure you\u2019re well aware of what recoil is. Its the kickback you feel whenever you fire a weapon, and the reason why you wouldn\u2019t let little Timmy shoot your 700 Nitro Express elephant gun<\/a>. The recoil would send the poor bugger flying over the rooftops.<\/p>\n

Lower recoil offers two key benefits: more comfortable shooting, and less muzzle flip that increases the amount of time it takes to restore your aim in between shots. The second benefit is crucial for shooting multiple targets in quick succession, whether you\u2019d do so for hunting or in self-defense.=<\/p>\n

We\u2019re going to compare the recoil generated by the six rounds detailed above. It is easy to calculate a cartridge\u2019s recoil energy with just four data points: bullet weight, propellant weight, muzzle velocity and rifle weight. For convenience\u2019s sake we\u2019re realistically assuming all rounds have 24 grains of propellant and both rifles weigh 7.7 pounds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\t\n\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t
<\/td>Recoil Energy (ft lbs)<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n
7.62x39 Federal Fusion 123gr SP<\/td>6.89<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
7.62x39 Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/td>7.36<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
7.62x39 Hornady BLACK 123gr SST<\/td>6.89<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
6.5 Grendel Federal Fusion 120gr SP<\/td>7.69<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
6.5 Grendel Prvi Partizan 123gr SP<\/td>8.22<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
6.5 Grendel Hornady Custom 123gr SST<\/td>7.88<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n\n

The average 7.62×39 cartridge generates 7.05 ft lbs of recoil energy. The average 6.5 Grendel cartridge generates 7.93 ft lbs. That difference is negligible. There is no reason to favor one round over the other as far as their recoil is concerned.<\/p>\n

Bear in mind that heavier bullets, faster muzzle velocities, and lighter rifles are all going to result in heavier recoil. Also, the amount of recoil you\u2019ll actually perceive <\/em>is subjective. No amount of math can predict what you\u2019re going to feel.<\/p>\n

Availability & Price<\/em><\/h3>\n

\"An<\/p>\n

Neither the 7.62×39 or the 6.5 Grendel are niche cartridges that you\u2019ll have trouble finding. The 7.62×39 certainly wins in a popularity contest, though. It\u2019s been around for about 60 years longer than the 6.5 Grendel, and while you would have found few American 7.62×39 fans back in the \u201850s it is extremely popular now.<\/p>\n

AK-47s are abundant. I bought a gently used Century Arms C39V2 with four magazines from a guy I met in a parking lot for $500 back in 2017. It seems gun prices will continually go up, but you can still get a serviceable AK without breaking the bank.<\/p>\n

The 6.5 Grendel is a different story. You can convert any AR-15 to run the newer round with a conversion kit, so you can argue that there are more rifles chambered for it \u2013 potentially speaking.<\/p>\n

The two rounds\u2019 price tags aren\u2019t dramatically different. The 7.62×39 is indeed cheaper, if only because it\u2019s produced in higher quantities and 6.5 Grendel ammo tends to be of the higher quality that long-distance shooters demand. You also have to consider the great abundance of Russian-made steel-cased 7.62×39 on the market as well. It\u2019s not match ammo by any stretch of the imagination, but for the kind of plinking that AK enthusiasts love it serves nicely. Manufacturers like Wolf<\/a> offer steel-cased 6.5 Grendel as well, but again, it\u2019s hardly ideal if you\u2019re aiming for 800 yard targets.<\/p>\n

The Takeaway: 7.62×39 vs 6.5 Grendel<\/em><\/h3>\n

The 7.62×39 is a workhorse of a cartridge. Its manageable recoil, decent accuracy and crushing energy at close to medium range all make it more than enough to count on for home defense. Its performance for hunting is lacking in comparison to larger cartridges. However, it\u2019s just so fun to shoot that you may not want it for any place other than the range.<\/p>\n

The 6.5 Grendel does everything the 7.62×39 does \u2013 only better. That\u2019s an oversimplification, although its compatibility with the AR-15 platform (which isn\u2019t to deny the existence of the AR-47), suitability for long-distance shooting, and far greater stopping power at medium to long range are all available from the 6.5 Grendel if you want them. You\u2019ll pay more for ammo, but less for a rifle if you simply convert your AR-15 to chamber the newer round.<\/p>\n

The 7.62×39 vs 6.5 Grendel debate does largely boil down to what you want to do with a rifle. If that\u2019s dumping a case worth of ammo into plinking targets over the course of a few hours, go Russian. But if you want to enjoy somewhat more technical long-distance shooting, in this case you\u2019ll want to go American.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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